Rules Changes
For this battle report I am going to use RRtK because it is a bit more manageable to start and I have a number of 15mm DBA armies that I can us to play out the game. However, the one problem to sort out is the scale. Like my internet buddy Shaun (who also has a blog about solo gaming and ancients), I prefer to play on a 2' by 2' table with 15mm armies, especially when they are DBA-sized (12 bases or so), but RRtK specifies a 4' by 3' table for the same figure scale and fewer units. This is largely because the movement scale is about triple that of DBA. (DBA's heavy infantry moves 200 paces or 2" per turn for a unit with 40mm frontage while RRtK moves about 6" per turn for a unit with the same 40mm frontage.) Shaun's solution was to reduce the movement in RRtK by about a third, which slows unit movement in relation to their width. I think I am simply going to play it straight.
This change can be offset partially by reducing the deployment area. In the standard rules, a player can deploy in a 24" wide by 9" deep box. By allowing no unit to deploy within 3" of either sideline (rather than within 12") and no farther than 6" from their baseline, the deployment area is reduced to 18" wide by 6" deep. However, the separation between forces remains at least 12".
Given a smaller deployment area, I should think about using fewer units, but as RRtK is a fantasy game, there are no historical army lists (only equivalents of a sort), so I really only have DBA and DBMM to go on. That said, I really want to get the game going, so straight DBA lists it is. I'll actually have a reserve to work with!
The Forces
I decide to play the old stand-by: Republican (Polybian) Romans (DBA list II/33) versus Ancient Spanish (DBA list II/39(a)). The stats I will use for the troops are as follows:
Romans | ||||||
Unit | Class | REP | AC | Figs | Move | Special |
Cavalry w/General x 1 | Mounted Melee | 5 | 4 | 3 | 12" | Dual, WR=3 |
Cavalry x 1 | Mounted Melee | 4 | 2 | 3 | 12" | Dual |
Hastati/Principes x 6 | Foot Melee | 4 | 4 | 4 | 6" | CW |
Triarii x 2 | Foot Melee | 5 | 4 | 4 | 6" | ET Me |
Velites x 2 | Foot Skirmisher | 4 | 2 | 2 | 8" | None |
Spanish | ||||||
Unit | Class | REP | AC | Figs | Move | Special |
Cavalry w/General x 1 | Mounted Melee | 5 | 4 | 3 | 12" | Dual, WR=3 |
Light Cavalry x 1 | Mounted Skirmisher | 4 | 2 | 2 | 12" | None |
Scutari x 6 | Foot Melee | 4 | 2 | 3 | 8" | Dual |
Caetrati x 2 | Foot Skirmisher | 4 | 2 | 2 | 8" | None |
Balearic Slingers x 2 | Foot Skirmisher | 4 | 2 | 2 | 8" | ET Mi |
I will be honest, a lot of the ratings above have to do with personal prejudices. I am listening to an audio book about Hannibal and the Second Punic War, so I cannot rate the Romans as REP 5 for the base troops and REP 6 for the Triarii; they just were not that good, in my mind. Of course, as the war wore on, they certainly got better.
I was also unsure of whether to rate the Spanish scutari as having a Combi-Weapon or Dual. The former simply gives a +1 to the first round of melee combat while the latter allows the unit to fire missiles. I believe it is the latter as it would allow them to rain down missiles on the Romans from difficult terrain whereas the former would not.
Battle Setup
Following the instructions on page 27 of the rules, I follow the battle setup procedure.
- Determine the scouting value of each army. Romans = 5, Spanish = 7
- Determine who is attacking. Romans = 3 + 5 (on 1D6) = 8, Spanish = 3 + 3 (on 1D6) = 6. The Romans are attacking.
- Divide the table into nine sections and dice for each.
- Rough - Hill
- Hilly - Clear
- Rough - Clear
- Hilly - Woods
- Hilly - Clear
- Hilly - Hill
- Open - Clear
- Rough - Clear
- Hilly - Clear
- Defender chooses a baseline.
- Right of refusal. Attacker declares whether he accepts the board configuration.
Terrain Placement
Using the rolls from above, we have a basic picture of the terrain. (Sections are numbered from top to bottom, left to right.)
As this is a 2' by 2' board, each section is 8" by 8". Note that the rules state that each section is filled with the terrain indicated, either one large piece or several small pieces. "The important thing is to understand that the whole section is composed of that type of terrain."
Choose a Baseline
So, now we arrive at where Mythic comes in. We have to decide which baseline the defender (the Spanish) will choose. Let's review the factors.
- The defender is only allowed to choose either the top or the bottom of the board as their baseline.
- The Spanish have more faster, lighter troops that can benefit from cover with which to fire from.
- The Spanish have more faster, lighter troops that can secure the terrain than the Romans.
- The Spanish main battle line does poorly in the open than does the Roman main battle line.
- The top baseline has more terrain that affects movement and defense.
- The attacker moves first.
- Ask direct questions about which specific choice to make.
- Ask questions that produce facts and then derive decisions from that.
The decision to be made is: "which baseline do I choose, the top or the bottom?"
The first method asks direct questions, but we cannot ask the one above as Mythic requires you pose questions such that it can be answered with "yes" or "no". So, we have to ask either "Do I choose the top baseline?" or "Do I choose the bottom baseline?". Mythic further requires that we ask the most logical question first. If either choice is equally logical, it does not really matter this question I pose first. Each will generally have a 50% chance of being answered "yes". But, is either choice equally to the defender's advantage?
Looking at the board we see that the center row has two terrain pieces. Viewing just those two sections from either the top or bottom baseline, there is no difference; both are equi-distant from either baseline. Where the difference comes in is section 1 versus the opposite, section 9. Section 1 contains a hill whereas section 9 does not. So, is it advantageous to have a hill in your right deployment area, as opposed to it being clear? All of these thoughts about why one or the other is advantageous will give you a 'gut feel' for why one baseline is better than the other. How strongly you feel about one side over another will help you determine a ranking, which will set your probability. Here are the common odds rankings used by Mythic: Impossible, No Way, Very Unlikely, Unlikely, 50/50, Somewhat Likely, Likely, Very Likely, Near Sure Thing, Sure Thing, and Has To Be. This value is cross-referenced against the chaos factor currently in use. (I'll get into the chaos factor later. Just know that it is at '5' for now and that it, cross-referenced with a 50/50 odds rank produces a 50% chance of the question being answered "yes".)
My basic rationale for which baseline is better is that my goal would be to anchor the flanks of the Spanish battle line between the woods and the hill at the center line. Given that the Spanish have faster troops (overall), they stand a better chance of reaching the terrain sooner, plus with troops that fight better in that terrain, have a better chance of dominating in them. (This means they could 'un-anchor' the enemy's main battle line by flanking from the woods and the hill.) That all said, they would want the hill in their deployment area as it does not slow them down (seemingly) and it gives them a fall-back defensive position. So, to the question "Should the Spanish choose the top baseline?" I would rate the odds as "Has To Be", giving a 95% chance of a "yes" answer. (Note that if the hill produced a movement penalty, then I would have to weigh the advantage of the defensive fall-back position against the delay in reaching the primary position (the woods) and adjust the odds accordingly.)
For the Spanish NPG I will use the second method for all decision making. Using that method I would attempt to establish a few facts first, then draw a conclusion once I have enough facts established. Questions I would ask would be:
- Should I attempt to seize the hill on the opposite flank from the woods in force? (Very Likely)
- Should I attempt to seize the woods in force? (Very Likely if the previous question was "no", but only "Likely" if it were "yes" as I am now splitting my forces to two opposing flanks, which tends to be less successful.)
- Should I move my main battle line as far forward as the center sections? (The odds rank is hard to state now, as it depends upon the answers of the first two questions. The decision tree starts getting complex...)
- [Assuming the previous question was answered "yes"] should I anchor my main battle line back from the centerline? ('Back' meaning on the Spanish side of the centerline.)
- Is it important to have a hill to fall back upon [assuming the Spanish attempt to seize the woods in force]?
Personally, I like using rule bases and layering decisions one on another. I think it produces a more cohesive opponent and less of an erratic one, which could happen with an unlucky roll for a particularly critical question. (Mind you, if ever I get a roll that would wreck a game, I discard it.) So, I take the second approach when it makes sense. The important thing is not to over-think it. If you are struggling to find more questions to ask, but the previous rolls don't provide an obvious path to take, just ask the question directly and move on.
So, which edge will the Spanish choose for their baseline?
- I think the hill in section 6 is key, as it can provide cover (reverse slope), allows me to fire missiles from it, provides an uphill advantage in melee, and does not penalize movement. Given my movement rate, I should get there first with the bulk of my troops. Should I attempt to seize and occupy the hill in section 6 in force? (Very Likely or 85% "yes") Yes (rolled a '25')
- I think the Romans will try and flank the hill in section 6 on the left (section 5), so the woods in section 4 would, in turn, be a good way to spoil that flanking attack. That said, 'in force' means either quantity or quality (or both). Should I attempt to seize and occupy the woods in section 4 in force? (Likely or 75% "yes") Yes (rolled a '54')
- At this point it indicates that I am being aggressive in trying to hold the terrain forward of my deployment area, so the emphasis is getting the troops forward, not defending back. Having the hill in my opponent's deployment zone might cause him to hesitate rushing forward to take the woods, which is now the Spanish goal. Do I believe having the hill in my opponent's deployment zone will cause him to hesitate seizing the woods? (Unlikely or 35%) Yes (rolled a '24')
Right of Refusal
The last pre-deployment decision to make is for the Roman to decide if this arrangement is so disadvantageous that they refuse the battle, which starts the process all over again. To highlight the differences between the two methods of Mythic decision making, I will use the first method for the Roman NPG.
Internally I would go through the same thought process, but I would have to internalize the probabilities as always take the most probable path. This reduces to a simple question which then determines whether I have found the correct path in the decision tree or have to select another.
As the two sides are nearly identical, save for the hill in the deployment area, you essentially have to weight the disadvantages of the current configuration with the odds that something worse will be rolled up the next time. Additionally, as you can refuse battle twice, how many refusals remain play a factor.
So the questions are:
- Are the odds better or worse that more terrain will be rolled up if we start over?
- Does the hill in the Roman deployment area create a disadvantage to them?
So: Do the Romans refuse this battle? (Very Unlikely or 15%) No (you don't really think I rolled, do you?)
Romans |
Spanish |
I like it. Makes sense so far, and a good illustration of how to thoughtfully use Mythic.
ReplyDeleteDale,
ReplyDeleteAn insightful and excellent post. Very illuminating. It, and the previous one on Mythic, is making me think on how to create some reactions results for my solo games. I can see how yes/no style questions can help decide what a unit could do, rather than using weighted criteria(smiliar to POA in FOG), or set outcomes based on dice rolls (most combat in most games - even reactions tests in THW are this, a set choice of outcomes based on 2d6). I will definitely be thinking of this more when playing my solo games.
I too am more inclined to make Hastati REP4 and Triarii REP5. Under many older rules from the 70s and 80s, Morale was in 4 classes - A, B, C (Average), D. In just about every army list I have seen, Hastati are C, and Triarii B, so you and I are in good company.
re: deployment, I have created what is basically an extended RRtK deployment matrix based a little more on army type, and a determination of strong and weak flanks depending on if there is a terrain feature of not. It does not go much further than RRtK, but a little bit. PM on TMP or replay here and I can send you what I've got if you wish.
Looking forward to the remaining posts in this series. It takes work to produce blog posts such as the one above, so I would just like you to know someone appreciates the time you're taking.